This Document was sent to AOYCascade by John Emerson, on Sept. 24th 2004, apparently for our information and/or comments. We have replied with our comments, and with a follow-up comment on this "New Jewish Teaching." Our Comments follow the Document, and are shown in Blue for your review.


The Greater and Lesser YHWH
Special New Teaching For YATI Members
By Rabbi Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky
President YATI Intl Ministries
Founder Union Of Two House Messianic Congregations
Former Co Founder Messianic Israel Alliance

The title of this message may pique the reader to amazement and wonder. Most Believers in YHWH whether they be modern traditional Jews, Messianic Jews, Messianic Israelites, Sunday Christians or Roman Catholics, generally do not understand the truth of Scripture regarding two powers in heaven. Through false expressions of monotheism, the Jew and Moslem reject the understanding of the duality of powers in heaven. Christianity, with its unscriptural Trinitarian doctrine of the three equal persons/powers in heaven all existing as personages all being YHWH, have confused millions through the centuries, including Trinitarian proponents, who accept it despite the fact that Yahshua never taught it, and despite the fact that the only Trinitarian verse in First John 5:7-8 has now been revealed universally as a fraudulent addition to the original texts. Most updated translations are removing this papal addition to the Bible. The more that these manmade myths have been perpetuated; the harder it is to overcome them with scriptural understanding. Nevertheless we will attempt to do so.

Most Believers

Most Believers in the New Testament are not fully Believers in Yahshua's own Words when it comes to His position in YHWH. His testimony and His Father's testimony concerning Him contradict man's religious edicts, interpretations and convocations. Councils such as Nicea and Constantinople only served to reinforce the error of the trinity by causing sincere men and women to over look and even disregard the Words of Messiah in favor of the words of men. Modern Judaism and Islam have gone to the other extreme stating that monotheists cannot ever entertain a duality of powers (not persons) considered to be echad in the heavens. That is all well and good, but ancient Judaism and more importantly the prophets, the sages, and the Messiah of Israel, all speak a different message concerning true insight into understanding Elohim.

In John 10:29 Yahshua calls the Father, the Greatest Person/Power in the universe. He clarifies that by stating that the "Father is greater than all."[1] That all would then relegate Yahshua, as being "less great" in position and all other attributes, since all attributes that He possesses are said to come/originate from the Father. The Greek word for "greater" is meizon[2] meaning "greater", "larger", "stronger" or Elder".The "Greater YHWH" is also acknowledged as Yahshua’s own Elohim or Superior in many references such as John 20:17, Revelation 3:12 and countless other scriptures in both covenants.[3] This concept is eternal and eternally binding on all worshippers in all generations. IT cannot be limited to a time from Bethlehem to Golgotha, as many dispensationalists try to convey! Christians realize that the Father is greater BUT in order to preserve their "holy cow" doctrine of the trinity, they caveat that by insisting that Yahshua’s lesser status was only for a limited period of 33.5 years!

In order to fully grasp Messiah's own Words, worshippers are going to have to be willing to leave Trinitarian dogma along with monotheistic explanations that are manmade, based on man’s dogma but not divine revelation. When one accepts sola scriptura/scripture alone as divine revelation, one is left with a picture of YHWH, that completely opposes all religious perversions of His nature.

Speaking of His own existence both before and after Bethlehem, the Messiah Yahshua teaches us in John 13:16 that the Servant, in this case the Suffering Servant of YHWH, is not greater than the One who sent Him. That is plain and simple. There should be no argument and no dissenting opinion. In the literal Greek this verse reads "Neither is the apostle or YHWH’s messenger (Malach in Hebrew) greater or the elder of Him who sent Him." He said in John 13:17, "blessed are you if you know these teachings!" What teachings must we know? We must grasp that the Father is always greater the Yahshua. That is where the truth and the blessings of comprehension reside!

Here Yahshua states that as the "Messenger of His Presence" known in times past as Metatron, He was not, is not and will never be the elder over the Father or equal unto the Father. Unlike Christianity, Scripture does not teach of a "plurality of equal elders" but of the Father above all, in all and through all including his Son.[4] The Father is said to be Greater or larger or stronger, and the Elder of ALL, which includes the "Lesser YHWH" Yahshua. Many times in Scripture, Paul teaches us this ancient Jewish understanding, by beginning his epistles with a greeting in Elohim the Father the Elohim and Father of Yahshua the Messiah. He is not only Yahshua's Father, but also His Elder Elohim. This is not to say or even hint at the denial of Yahshua’s deity.

That in Scripture is a foregone conclusion. Yahshua is fully and equally YHWH in that He is and has all that the Father is and has, by first receiving all things from the Father. This bestowing upon Yahshua of all things from the Father establishes Him forever as "YHWH the Lesser", or the "Lesser YHWH", eternally under the Elder or Greater YHWH. This understanding may not initially sit well with the reader. It may make the reader very uncomfortable, but it is pure Scripture, reiterated many times by the Messiah Himself. When properly grasped it is a most liberating truth from the shackles of religion and man's puny attempts to explain His Creator, as the clear references to the duality of divinity sets us free to worship in truth. This understanding is that "two powers abide eternally as one", in the heavens.

Yahshua Himself Declared

In John 14:28 Yahshua declares that "pater meizon mou" or "the Father is greater than me." There are those who teach that Yahshua was limited in His days as a man, and that the Father was greater than Yahshua ONLY for those days when Yahshua was on earth. This cannot be so. Malachi 3:6 tells us that YHWH does not change. Since YHWH is a plurality of divinity, then Yahshua, as the brought forth YHWH, or YHWH the Lesser is always under the authority of YHWH the Greater. Hebrews 13:8 declares that Yahshua’s status had to be the same for eternity, past, present, and future.

Throughout the Old Testament, it is YHWH the Greater always sending YHWH the Lesser as YHWH the Lesser, Yahshua, is known as many things from the Messenger of YHWH to the Captain of YHWH’s Hosts, to YHWH’s Face to the young man Metatron, to the Word/Memra of YHWH. In order to protect the heretical views of the trinity, Christians of all persuasions have tampered with the Word of YHWH by applying dispensational reasoning and human logic, into what is seen as a protection of Yahshua’s deity against heretics. In so doing, they have refused Messiah's own teachings in both testaments, that He always was, always is, and always will be YHWH, but YHWH the Lesser, who reflects, images, and perfectly magnifies YHWH the Greater.

If these terms are puzzling, new or challenging to you, it is because religion has hid them well from you. That has brought s.a.tan much joy. These references we site do not even hint at the fact that Yahshua’s submissive role to YHWH the Father was in anyway limited to just 33.5 years on earth, nor does He make any reference to His Lesser YHWH designation as being merely a "role within divine government", or a "limiting human condition" or a "lesser role player" in the so-called "pecking order" of heavenly government. These understandings are isogesis or insertions of man's views into the texts. Yahshua does not speak of a subservient position, or of a limited role as a Lesser YHWH for just 33.5 years. No, not at all. He speaks plainly of an eternal state of being, YHWH that is eternally a submitted Lesser Power, which is exactly what Scripture tells us, yet being fully YHWH.

Early Nazerenes

The early Nazarenes who actually wrote the Scriptures believed the truth of the Greater and Lesser YHWH, since Yahshua taught them personally, before the "leaven of religion" crept in unawares. Yahshua warned us about the false trinity (from Rome) and absolute unity (from Rambam’s "13 Principles of Faith") heresies in Matthew 13:33, where the leaven as a type of sin, leavens the truth of the one pure Bread of Life (Messiah). Satan introduced leaven into 3 measures of meal or the 3 primary faces/pillars or manifestations of YHWH, the Father, Son, and Spirit by turning them into persons at one extreme, and into one single face of YHWH at the other extreme. Both extremes are to be avoided! The John 14:28 pronouncement is fully understandable in combination with Hebrews 13:8, where Yahshua declares that He was, is and will yet be YHWH the Lesser or "YHWH Ha Katan" forever. Both He and His Father never change and continue throughout eternity as YHWH the Lesser submitted to YHWH the Elder. Apparently, much of organized religion chooses not to remember the Words of Yahshua Himself as reiterated again in John 15:20, where Yahshua commands His disciples to never forget this understanding. "Remember the [this] word that I said to you."

The Ancients Understood

The ancients of Israel understood full well this concept of two literal powers in heaven, both being part of the echad of Israel. We see this understanding in such places as Exodus 24:1-2, Psalm 110:1-5 (where one YHWH converses with another YHWH), Ezekiel 10:1-2, Ezekiel 1:19-28, Daniel 7:9,13,14 and many other places. In Genesis 19:23, for example, we see the "Sent YHWH" or "YHWH Katan" calling up to His Elohim or YHWH the Greater who SENT Him to destroy the cities of the plains. The ancient sages of Israel referred to the Lesser and Greater YHWH with the Lesser YHWH appearing to prophets such as Ezekiel in Ezekiel 1:28, or as He did later on earth to his disciples.[5] In Jewish literature the understanding was that the Word of YHWH, who we know to be Yahshua, was known as the Lesser YHWH or YHWH Ha Qatan.[6]
Yahshua did not come to earth with a new revelation. He was reiterating what had happened in the Old Testament, as well as confirming the ancient understanding[7] of the Greater YHWH sending the Lesser YHWH, with the Sent One being the One who carries the Divine Name. Yahshua reiterates that He is eternally the Sent One or "Angel/Messenger of His Presence" and has come to be known as Messiah YHWH, to carry the Divine Name to Israel through His disciples.[8] The Lesser YHWH was known as the "Guardian of Israel", as Yahshua refers to Himself in John 17:12, where He "is carrying" the divine name of YHWH, to deliver it to the disciples, all the while claiming to be guarding them. In Aramaic He was known as Metatron.[9] The Lesser YHWH received His Name from His role as guardian of YHWH’s people. Whether or not the concept of the Lesser and Greater YHWH may be new to the reader is not the issue here. Yahshua taught it and we as His true Torah honoring disciples must perceive Him as He is revealed, not as we might like to recreate Him in our image after our likeness.
Jewish understanding does not only coincide with Messiah's revelation of Himself as YHWH Ha Qatan. We are fortunate in that historical ecclesiastical records of the early Israelite Nazarenes have been preserved for us to examine whether this truth was familiar and was embraced by them, or rather if this doctrine would have seemed strange to them.

Epiphaneus states that the early Believers were "just like the Torah keeping Jews" and differed in no way from their accepted practices.[10] The Israelite disciples then were no different than their non-believing Jewish counterparts in all ways. Because of these Messianic Torah beliefs, the Nazarenes were considered heretics along with another similar group by the name of the Cerinthians, named after Cerinthus, a Born Again Believer who followed Torah. And what did his group believe?

According to Epiphaneus, they believed the same thing the early Nazarenes believed. What was that? They believed in Messiah Yahshua, Torah and a view of Elohim that held that the world was not created by the Supreme Deity but by a certain power emanating from Him. Epiphaneus 2:29:1 affirms that the Nazarenes and Cerinthians held common views on the true Creator emanating from the Supreme One. According to this historian, he couldn’t say who came first the Nazarenes or Cerinthians, but they held similar beliefs.[11] Irenaeus, another anti-Nazarene, kirch historian and father who lived in 130-200 CE states that the Cerinthians/Nazarenes taught that "the world was not made by the primary God [sic] but by a certain power from Him, and at a distance from the Principality who is Supreme over the Universe and ignorant of Him who is above all."[12] Furthermore he also stated that, "But a certain Cerinthus himself being discipled in the teachings of the Egyptians, asserted that the world was not made by the Primal Deity, but by some virtue which was an offshoot [Branch/Tzemach/Messiah] Power, which is above all things."[13] The idea of a Lesser YHWH, still YHWH but above all powers, thrones, dominions, principalities, having preceded forth from YHWH the Greater was so common among Yahshua’s disciples in the Nazarene, Ebonite and Cerinthians Torah Messianic communities, that all these Messianic groups were labeled as heretics by the "church fathers." Of course, as the reader can see not much has changed.

Nevertheless Yahshua and the Old Testament teach the same thing, and as we return to the faith once for all delivered to the saints, we can do no less. We can expect the same treatment from both sides of the issue.

We are left with the overwhelming evidence of Scripture, history and Messiah’s very own Words. No matter how unsettling or new this understanding may be, it nonetheless stands solely on His Word in both covenants. We have merely touched the tip of the iceberg on this subject of the Greater and Lesser YHWH, as we could literally pen a separate work with hundreds of pages of documentation further substantiating the concept.

For Now

For now however, let the reader understand that the anti-missionary’s teachings flies in the face of all testimony concerning the eternal identity of Messiah as YHWH. We have brought this concept to the reader in order for the reader to understand that the concept of the Messiah being divine as YHWH emanating from the Father YHWH, and yet not being the Father, but One of two ruling powers in heaven in one echad, is the most Jewish of concepts. Moreover, it remains the most Messianic of concepts, and most importantly the truest understanding of YHWH-Elohim-Echad, explaining all the "duality of divinity" references in the Old Testament. This understanding preserves Abba-YHWH as the Greatest of all powers in this age, and in all the worlds without end.

May this most Hebraic, Messianic, and biblical understanding of the nature and role of Messiah, assist the reader, as the reader remains or returns to the faith. Fight the good fight of first century Messianic faith, as you hold fast against the darts and demonic confusing agenda of the modern day anti-missionaries, who stand for little else than dislodging the reader from eternal life in Israel’s Messiah.
Le Chaim... To life!

Shabbat Shalom,
John J. Emerson

A Reply, from AOYCascade - to John Emerson:

John, the above author(s) of this Document, misunderstand the relationship of the Father YHWH (Yahweh), with the begotten son Yahshua Messiah....and all the subsequent designated or "become" sons of YHWH......and they also miss-understand the purpose of the "Created" servants of YHWH, i.e. Angel beings (celestial messengers), also referred to as "elohim" in OT Scripture.

There is NO such thing in Scripture, where there is a Greater and Lesser "YHWH" for YHWH is singular, and is ONE. YHWH is defined in English terms for understanding, as "is-will-be-ing-was" (the Hebrew verb of being, or existence). In other words, there is the ONE Almighty YHWH, and there are the Celestial "Elohim" that were created by YHWH to do the expressed will of the ONE Almighty YHWH. The "Celestial" Elohim at times represent YHWH in designated authority, and may at times, even be referred to as "YHWH," but only as one holding, (for a designated time and/or purpose) the authority of YHWH.

Having been designated or granted for a time, the authority of YHWH, does not make one YHWH, or a lesser? YHWH. "I am YHWH; and there is none else." Isaiah 45: 18. I suppose one could make the point, that there is "The Almighty" Elohim (with the singular Hebrew verb tense), and then there are the lesser "elohim (plural tense)," assuming that the term "elohim" as defined from the Hebrew is "mighty one(s)."

All through Scripture, YHWH always works and instructs through or by HIS Created "Elohim." HE at times kills or destroys through the Elohim. He Creates through the Elohim, and He sends Messages through the Elohim, yet the Elohim are NOT at any time YHWH. The Elohim, when referring to celestial beings, or Angel-Messengers, are created to perform the expressed will of YHWH; this includes the Elohim that are at times referred to as "satan" (the adversary Elohim). Even these "adversary" Elohim, when doing the "bad" or the "dirty jobs" always perform the will of the Almighty Father Creator YHWH. They will never devieate from YHWH's designated and expressed will."I form the light, and crate darkness: I make peace, and create physical destruction; I YHWH do all these..." Isaiah 45: 7.

Yahshua, on the other hand, is a direct son (literal seed) of David, the designated Redeemer of Israel. Born under the Power of the Spirit of YHWH, and "adopted" under Hebrew law by YHWH, then designated as "First Born" the only Begotten Son, and given the authority of the Father, through obedience to the law. This makes Yahshua the "Right Hand" of the Father, placed in the position of authority, and of full judgment, 1 Peter 3:22. It does not make Yahshua YHWH, or a lesser Yahweh. For his obedience, and his position as the second Adam, the Father Creator YHWH, gave to the Son Yahshua, the power, "to have life in Himself" John 5: 26, and the authority to give this life to others....(those believing his message), "Yah-shua" (Yah is Savior)

John William
an Assembly of Messianic "True" Israelites.

Follow-up response by John Emerson

Then please explain Proverbs 30, verse 4 and Genesis 1:26

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

And ELOHIYM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Who was He Talking to, if not His Son then who? We certainly don't look like messengers, and Yahshua is our brother.

Shalom & Agape,
John Emerson

 Follow-up Reply, from AOYCascade -

Your question...Then please explain Proverbs 30, verse 4 and Genesis 1:26
"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?"

In order to correctly understand the question posed in Proverbs 30: 4, we must look into the verse based on historical OT context, using correct exegesis. To make a quick assumption, that the word "son" as used here, is to apply to the word "son" Yahshua Messiah of the Greek NT would be pure conjecture, and would not follow the harmony required by the comparative study of other references in the OT Scriptures, which also talk of the son or son(s) of YHWH, but in several alternative contexts.

1). There are other "sons of YHWH in OT Hebrew Scriptures, so, the question now becomes, which son is the author of Proverbs referring to, and is this a correct translation of the passage? (We are of course "assuming," that the answer to the first part of the question in Proverbs 30: 4, is likely YHWH).....but this is not the question under our consideration at this time.

Several "alternate sons" of YHWH are found in the OT as follows:

Ex 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith YHWH, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Ex 4:23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

It is clear, in the above Ex. 4 passage, that the reference to "son" and "first born" is allegorically a reference to Israel as a company of people. It is then also logical, to assume, that "Israel" can also be referred as the "son" of YHWH, and also as the "firstborn (son) of YHWH." There are also other passages in the OT which refer to the "sons of "G-d," (i.e. in the book of Job for example). The point is, that a face value explanation of the passage in Proverbs 30: 4, is by no means evidence of the application of this passage to "Yahshua Messiah" or to any pre-existence of the NT son Yahshua Messiah, with the Father YHWH.

2). The passage in the OT Hebrew, reads as follows in the LXX:

Proverbs 30: 4. "Who has gone up to heaven, and come down? who has gathered the winds in his bosom? who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? who has dominion of all the ends of the earth? what is his name? or what is the name of his children?

The LXX dates at least 1000 years before the current Masoritic Hebrew text, and most likely follows a much older Ancient Hebrew text now extant, than does the Masoritic. This is not to say that the LXX is not without error, because it is not. However, a disagreement of this magnitude requires alternate and more in depth study, and face value cannot be considered as absolute by any means.

Sometimes, the answer to us comes from the most simple of texts, "For there is one YHWH, and one mediator between YHWH and men, the man Messiah Yahshua;" 1 Tim. 2: 5, (unless of course, you do not accept the Greek NT as part of YHWH's recorded revelation to Israel).

And ELOHIYM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

As I have stated in my previous reply, YHWH always works and instructs through or by HIS Created "Elohim" His Messengers (angels), either Celestial or Terrestrial. He at times kills or destroys through His Elohim, He Created through the Cellestial Elohim, and He sends Messages through the Elohim, yet the Elohim are not YHWH. The Elohim, when referring to Celestial beings, or as the Angel-Messengers, are created only to perform the expressed will of YHWH; this includes the Elohim that are at times referred to as "satan" (adversary elohim). Even these "adversary" Elohim, when doing the bad or the "dirty jobs" always perform the exact will of the Father Almighty Creator YHWH.

YHWH as the "Almighty Creator" always works through His created "Mighty Ones" (elohim in Hebrew). This in reference to the Celestial messengers (Angels) of YHWH), they are real beings, and have a similar nature (cannot die) as YHWH. Humanity is created in the "shadow" (not image) of the elohim, after their "likeness," (but not "equal" to them) for in this life, human (terrestrial) elohim, messengers (Angels) do die. Humanity is NOT created in the likeness of "YHWH," " Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.1 Tim. 6: 16.

Who was He Talking to, if not His Son then who? We certainly don't look like messengers, and Yahshua is our brother.

The answer to your question - is that the Elohim (Mighty Ones) are referring to themselves. This is not a reference to YHWH talking to "His Plurality" for YHWH is ONE, and has always been ONE."I am YHWH; and there is none else." Isaiah 45: 18. Thus saith YHWH the King of Israel, and his [Israel's] redeemer YHWH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me [equal to me] there is no Elohim. Isaiah 44: 6. ......... YHWH "used" the elohim to create, yet His was the will and the plan, and the power to create was given to them. "for these are the births of the skys and the land, when they were created, [by the elohim] in the day [age] that YHWH Mighty One, made the land and the sky. Gen. 2: 4.

There are many "elohim" (as the Created "Celestial" Angel (messenger beings) that do the expressed will of YHWH the Almighty Creator. There are also many "elohim" (as "Terrestrial" Angel (messenger beings) that also do the expressed will of YHWH the Almighty Creator. Does humanity look like the messengers "elohim" (i.e. mighty ones)? Most certainly, for humanity was Created in the "shadow" and after the likeness of the "elohim."

Adamic man, however, is not of human-kind, that is, Adamic man does NOT carry the nature of humanity. Adam was formed out of the ground, by YHWH Himself in the 7th Age. (Adamic man was not Created by the Elohim)........ and, into Adam man YHWH breathed of His "Spirit" self (His "YHWH's" Spirit being), and Adam became a "living being" i.e. a son of YHWH, which included a portion of the "Spirit" being of his Father. Pre-Adamic man (humans) created in the 6th Age of Creation, did not receive of YHWH's Spirit being...........So, is Yahshua your brother? Yes, if you are of "Adamic" man, and of the family of Jacob/Israel, a true Israelite. No, if you are of any other.


John William

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